"The 8-hour workday is too profitable for big business, not because of the amount of work people get done in eight hours but because it makes for such a purchase-happy public. Keeping free time scarce means people pay a lot more for convenience, gratification, and any other relief they can buy. It keeps them watching television, and its commercials. It keeps them unambitious outside of work."

@neauoire I don't disagree at all, but it's certainly curious how the 8-hour work day started as a dream of the labor movement, no?

@roadriverrail @neauoire the 8-hour work day started as a dream of captialists (Ford was a big proponent), because it made for easy shifts and gave people enough free time to go out and spend money on non-necessity items/services

Labor backed it because it was preferable to their current situation, not because it was ideal

@roadriverrail @neauoire And tbh, 8 hours x 5 days a week wouldn't be so bad if it was *actually* 8 hours and not "8 plus long commutes and unpaid breaks and waiting before and after shifts due to employer convenience because the exploiters have to squeeze every dime out of their labor spend"


@Calcifer @neauoire Interesting, because I've got @KitsuneAlicia saying it was a mid-term compromise for the labor movement, and it'd seem that it'd be fairly easy to achieve the dream of reducing the working hours of your own fairly powerless employees.

This is also beside my point that some backpacker's musings on how his priorities shifted after taking a day job might not be a clean basis for the idea that the system engineered the 8-hour day to create consumerism.

@roadriverrail @neauoire my statement and theirs aren't in conflict; labor supported it because it was progress toward a goal. Some of the labor movement hoped for fewer hours eventually, some were happy about 8 as an endpoint but also hoped for a wedge to other concessions; it's not a monolith, then or now

Sometimes the goals of capitalists and labor align; it's no conspiracy or fantasy. And I'm not addressing your original point, just the context because I find it interesting

@roadriverrail @neauoire as for the reducing hours of your own employees, yes. And Ford did so, for example. But he was also a strong advocate in convincing others to do so — others who were skeptical of anything the labor organizations supported.

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