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@nina_kali_nina I think this is also true for people who give up on math. Teaching math well means rewinding history back to before a given technique exists and helping students see the need for it and even try to invent it a bit themselves. But few teachers really even get the space for that explorative pedagogy even if it occurred to them. The results are loads of people who think they hate math or aren't good at it. I was one such person until I re-taught myself.